Interesting thing to have to read when my eyes are swollen and itchy.
From what I’ve read, people generally fall into the following catagories:
1. love the sheep and think they can do no wrong.
2. honestly do find the search a good idea.
3. hate the sheep and everything they do.
4. think the data mining is catagorically bad/ an invasion of privacy.
5. believe the implimentation of the search was bad.
6. unsure
7. haven’t heard about it yet.
As always since the world is full of greys, of course people can and do fall into multiple catagories.
My opinions:
1. Opt-in vs Opt-out
The sheep decided on opt-out. Big mistake in my opinion. See, not everyone uses SL to sell things. Actually according to LL, a higher percentage of people don’t. People use it in many different ways.
The spin they are giving this decision is that a search with everything would be better then a search with only 1/2 the things. Ok, the IW search places has probably every store in SL yet that is opt-in. If this search is the next best thing since toast, the sheep would have people lining up to be scanned. From where I’m sitting it just looks cheeky to scan first, inform later. Just like email spam opt-out.
At the very least they should have made an annoucement stating what they plan to do and let us opt-out before the first scan. Now it’s become a PR nightmare which may (hopefully) hurt them.
2. Myth: It only searches content set for sale.
Incorrect. According to the site, if you “opt-in” it will list every single object on your parcel. Now, does the bot scan everything on each parcel or just those who do “opt-in”? I’m going to bet you that it scans everything - sends to a sheep database somewhere - then posted depending on permissions.
3. What other data are they mining?
From what I’ve read, this bot was made from a joint effort between libsl (copybot creators) and the sheep. Neither of which do I feel comfortable with using a program to gather information from my land. On one hand you have a group of people who openly attacked content creators for our “greed.” Then started the copybot hysteria by talking with us as a group saying none of our content/IP is “safe,” releasing a product to prove it, only to find out later that it really didn’t. On the other you have a group of people whoring SL and its residents out to corporate interests for $ and whose egos have grown so big they probably do believe that they can’t be thrown off their high horse.
For all I know, they could have good intentions. But from past experience, anyone who has to tell me something that many times, it probably isn’t true. They may not be publishing all data and who knows what they would do with it, but knowing they have it doesn’t settle right with me.
So libsl has something against content creators and our “greed” called IP. Could they have sneaked in something that grabs all the paramaters of the prims? Ok, yeah bit of a stretch I know.
4. You can ban “grid shepherd” to not be scanned.
Odd thoughts on that. When it was first announced, I jumped on and did a search for poses. My name, oddly, didn’t come up. Anything that would help my business would attribute me to poses right? Ok.. so I did a search for my name. It came up with Lalique: *under construction* then about 1/2 of the objects I have for sale. So the tags are just the lame limited amount we get for the IW parcel description. Now, what worries me is that the *under construction* part of the sim - everyone not in the group is auto banned. Obviously it scanned the banned section enough to get and list the parcel description.
Is it a fluke? If I let them scan the sim, but not the corner my house will be on, does it really know the difference? What about people who don’t own the entire sim? If you ban the bot but your neighbour doesn’t can it still scan you?
I’m almost tempted to rope off a part of Lalique that lets the bot on, put a box for L$1 and test to see if it picks up my store.
5. 2 Different ways to opt-out
Ok.. so if you go to sheep isle, find the hidden box to opt-out your information will not be posted. But your things will still be scanned.
If you ban the bot, you may or may not be scanned (see #4).
That is completly unacceptable. This just proves once again the blatent disreguard they have for the rest of us. There is no way to spin this into remotly looking ok. They must, in no uncertain terms, find a way for each person to completly opt-out of this.
6. Incorrect parcel descriptions.
If you do a search for me, some of the items I sell at the animation warehouse shows up on the description:
Disco dance2Live T V and more…, club,hot,music,djs,dancers,jazz,Disco,Counrty,rap, R&B,rock,house,camping,video,bar,xxx,lights,dance (no)
This makes it look like I’m renting at a camping infested adult dance club. I do NOT rent at places like that and it really pisses me off to be listed as such. Yes I know it’s buggy cause it’s a beta, but they should have at the very least gotton permission for the beta because of this type of slander.
7. Incomplete search
This only shows objects for sale. It doesn’t include boxed items or vendors. What about things that have split scripts? Not listed. Thats a lot of items for sale missing from their search.
The tags are then based on the limited space we have for the parcel description, avatar, and the name of the object itself. That’s all well and good if the places search is down, you know the avie, or whatever name they gave it. What if I’m looking for clothes of a certain look? Say female vintage clothes. Is the fault now on the creator because they don’t put that in the description field or would a search with a human tagging system work better?
Then the search brings up a long list of objects. I’m sorry but how is that going to help me? With the IW classifieds and places I at least get see the image they are trying to project. Its a fact that if the ad sucks, the product sucks. I have purchased many different things in the almost 3 years I’ve been in SL and never once have I found something good at a place where I thought the ad was absolute shit. SL is great that anyone can make content, I’m sorry to say it but not everyone has the eye, talent or skill. I’m not saying they should be left out, but the consumer needs the ability to decifer for themselves.
8. Myth: It’s just like google.
Incorrect. With google I can make the robots.txt file disallow bots/spiders to search the images folder. With websites I can put different parts of the site in different folders where it still looks like it’s on the same page. I can’t do that with different parts of my build. It doesn’t seem likely that I can allow the sheep to post my objects for sale while not grabbing the build info or anything in my studio.
9. Myth: Public domain
Yes and no. Eventhough we have no real sense of privacy, people do some very private things in SL. I do consider my studio a private space. I expect people to either stay away out of decency or leave after an explination. Odd thing is is that I have only had to ban 1 person from it in almost 3 years of SL. Believe it or not, people are for the most part decent.
The thing is is that groups (companies) as an entity in general are not. It is not surpizing that the idea of privacy probably didn’t even dawn on them in their rush of “furthering (corporate) SL.” The sheep have proven time and again that they can not see us as individual human beings. It is how they sleep at night. Just like the traders at Enron overlooked the devistation of the rolling black outs and skyrocketing electric bills. It’s the group think of “it doesn’t touch me so it’s ok.”
While the information posted is downloaded to everyone’s client when they tp to the location, not all of it is easily accessible. While you can cross ban lines, doing so is against the ToS.
10. Using a backdoor to gather information.
This bot, copybot, and landbots use a back door to gather information in SL. It’s the same as using GLintercept to steal textures. Its gathering information in a way not intended by the program itself. Doing this is shady no matter which way you spin it.
11. Lag
They have done sim tests and say that the apparant lag is no worse then when any avatar tps in. But what I’m curious about is the database lag generated. Thats the biggest issue right now and the reason why everything is just well.. broken. There are many times being a content creator is just unbearable when it comes to the database lag. I can’t upload animations or images, rez objects, retexture my build, ect. How many times per day do I get an IM saying they didn’t recieve the pose they bought from the vendor?
How can anyone say, with a straight face, that scanning every bloody sim every 24 hours and uploading that data to a server isn’t hitting the database more then a single avatar? Well, for one I sure as hell don’t tp to each sim let alone repeating it once a day.
12. Opens a can of worms
This is only the beginning of what is to come with bots. If LL wants SL to be web 2.0 or what have you, there needs to be a general robots.txt file that can ban every single bot from our server space. This not only needs to be generally accepted but enforced.
13. Doesn’t bloody work
In the sheep’s overzealous release, they failed to make a search that worked as intended. That is unless the intentions were to even list no mod purchased items with the for sale box checked but greyed out so the owner can’t change it. So lamps in private bedrooms are being listed even though its not actually for sale.
In short:
You can call me a hater, paranoid, moron, whatever you want to. These are my opinions based on various information I’ve gathered from both sides of the issue. Not out of hatred, jealousy, or whatever some people come up with to discount opinions.
I don’t actually think that the sheep are out to steal anything I’ve created. But I do not for a second believe they are as altruistic as it’s being spun. They are as a group, in my opinon, corporate whores - who pedals SL and it’s residents to corporate interests. As individuals there are some I like, some I don’t, and a few I hold high respect for. But the entire situation of corporate interest in SL makes me feel exploited for all the work we have done to build “our world, our imagination.” Then the shame I feel that the ones who do it the most are the early innovators.
The plain and simple facts are that I do not know the extent of the information they are mining and everything they are using it for. The opt-out decision and the fact that you will still be scanned even if you do opt-out. I believe it do be a blatent disreguard for my privacy, and as such I have estate banned grid shepard from the Lalique and Cappiello.
As with any controversial subject in SL there are the fanbois, haters, bandwagoners, and the rest of us inbetween. The serious problem that stems from this is the severe disreguarding opinions because of the all too common “for us or against us” crap. As always, it’s easier to find a new reason to blame people for disagreeing with you than it is to find out what they actually disagree with in the first place. This type of mob mentality has just plainly gotton old. When will these people leave high school?
As an example: Lordfly stated in his blog:
The people complaining about privacy and whatnot are missing the mark. Either they’re reselling freebies or they don’t grasp basic marketing principles….In short: Search good, technophobia bad.
I am against the sheep search. So I obviously don’t grasp basic marketing principles, sell freebies, and/or am technophobic. Real smart there. Wouldn’t a person who understands basic marketing principles want a search that will show their objects in a way that they decide? Or to show all their wares (animation vendors)? Or maybe even to not have to find them listed at a XXX place? Or know that consumers don’t want to dig through thousands of random objects to find ours? Even with sheep search talked about everywhere, my sales at the locations that are listed haven’t increased.
Advancement for the sake of advancement is not always good. Not liking certain “advancements” does not a technophobe make. Humans do have the ability to decifer for themselves on which are good or bad for themselves. Just like you say “just because it’s new doesn’t mean its bad,” I say just cause it’s new doesn’t mean it’s good. Including all land owners (without permission) in the experiments is rather daft especially given the large amount of kinks still needing to be fixed.
It is not a question of do we need a new/better/offline search. Fucking hell we do, everyone knows that. Sorry to burst your bubble but the sheep search isn’t that wonderful new thing.
My dream search:
1. Opt-in
2. The owner decides on the tags. Even with handy checkboxes for the basic tags. Then more indepth tags which can be typed out. IE - typical tags: poses, aos, dances, animations, furniture, vintage. Indepth tags: cuddle poses, cuddle furniture, belly dance, swing dance, deco furniture, ect.
3. Different ways to search. Say I want to find that all the stores that have at least 1 female vintage outfit. So I check those boxes and it searches all the listings that have it. For the indepth tags I can type it into the search box - belly dance - then click the animations box and it’ll list all the different stores that sell belly dancing animations.
4. A way to differenciate between mall and nonmall. I hate doing a places search looking for new hair creators only to find myself in a camping filled mall. Or a search for non XXX bars/clubs would be nice. Then a search for services like landscapers or builders would be nice.
5. People can have multiple listings/locations. For Lalique I can have it listed as my main store with the slur landing you inside, then as a shopping area landinging you in the middle of the square, then as a club landing you inside my eventual speakeasy, then maybe as a park landing you in the park. Now that’s better marketing.
6. The owner can then upload a 512×512 photo ad that will apear as a thumbnail on the listings.
7. You then click on Reel Expression and you get the full size picture ad, a listing of all my tags, all the slurs for the different locations, and even *gasp* a url to my website.
8. A way in which to report bad listings. Such as a hair store landing you in the middle of a casino.
-Luth